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Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 01:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 01:39:00 - [2] Originally by: Charlie Seriya Not sure exactly what you were hoping for, it has better fitting than both Amarr HACs. I don't fly Amarr and Quickfit doesn't have Heavy Dictors yet so I can't suggest specific fittings... all I can say is try using less demanding guns, or perhaps one less? You mean a rack of Civillian guns? The ship struggels to fit Lasers. Its WORSE at fitting lasers than battleships, unless you fly a paper setup. Projectiles fit perfectly though, which is crazy as you are throwing away ship bonus. Any why fly a slow ass Amarr hic in paper mode, when other dictors have OMG tank/Damage? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 01:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Orar Ironfist Lol something you should invest in is fitting skills then mate But Seriously check this out: x4 Heavy pulse II's x1 Warp Disruption field gen x1 Y-T8mwd x1 med cap booster II w/ 800's x1 Langour web x2 Medium armor rep II's x1 DCU II x1 Thermic Hard II x2 EANM II x2 Auxiliary nano pump I's (or other rigs w/e you want really) You need AWU 5 to fit all that on there otherwise i would suggest swapping a rep for a heat sink or swapping out guns. Thats an all out tank fit though like if you were told to tackle a nyx or were fighting under sentries. Im sure you could go with single rep gank setups and be fun just gotta play with it. And how many minutes is that going to last?29 seconds, or 1 minute with max skills with just 1 rep on, and lacks cargo space for sustaining it with cap booster charges. And you never fitted a low and a high. Thats a cloak and a plate that it should be able to fit but cannot. This sucks. Other HIC's are OMG and Amarr get the crap off the back of the barral yet again. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 01:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Antithysis Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:52:31 Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:50:11 I just fitted this out in EFT: Highs: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Meds: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II Lows: Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Warp Disruption Field Generator I Rigs: Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Tanks 709 Damage Per Second, 1 Rep can tank the sentries. The capacitor lasts for quite a long time, at least as long as you have boosters, and if yer using 1 rep running (no guns or disruptor active) it can permatank the sentries without using a cap booster. So please, tell me how this is hard to fit or a weak tank. -Anti EDIT: Spelling EDIT 2: And this doesn't even need AWU V. I doubt it would have trouble fitting with AWU 2. Love the 2k Armour buffer so it dies to doomsday, and the 32 seconds of life this ship has once it runs out of booster. With a infinite supply of boosters, it caps out after 1-2mins. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh? Actually only HIC which can fit guns, dual MAR tank, MWD, all the essentialls, and a 800mm RT plate. Strange Amarr have such a overpowered HIC... Can it? you call a 2k armour buffer a "tank"? You are aware that any titan it scrambles can instadoonsday it? You are aware that other races have SUPERIOR tank that can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Orar Ironfist Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh? Youve been near a DDD when it goes off eh? Cause resists do make a difference in dmg you take and that devoter with single rep is sustainible and with 2 its 5mins striahgt with max skills its 25. BUT if you fit a cpr in the low it gets increased even more so. Its not meant for dps its meant to stop caps from warping. So ina serious fight you wouldnt even waste the cap to shoot (as it wouldnt really even be helping) and focus on keeping the tank+point running. DDD are good but when you have 85% resists all around they wont come anywhere near to instakilling you Dude - Do the math. 70k+ doomsday hits you. You are dead with your "2k armour buffer" on your highist resist. you dont have enough effective hitpoints for any damagetype to tanks a doomsday. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo [ Can it? you call a 2k armour buffer a "tank"? You are aware that any titan it scrambles can instadoonsday it? You are aware that other races have SUPERIOR tank that can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays? Are you aware that the Phobos does not, in fact, FIT BLOODY HIGHEST-TIER GUNS, A MWD AND DUAL MAR SETUP, MUCH LESS ANYTHING ELSE AND SPECIFICALLY NOT A PLATE AND INJECTOR OF ANY SORT WITH AWU V? It's clearly overpowered, and you're trolling. Dude, I dont give a crap about the phobos - it can tank doomsdays. Amarr needs Civillian guns to do that. Come back and whine about phobos when it needs civilian guns Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Antithysis Originally by: Jonny JoJo Love the 2k Armour buffer so it dies to doomsday, and the 32 seconds of life this ship has once it runs out of booster. With a infinite supply of boosters, it caps out after 1-2mins. Are you ******? No, seriously? I said in my post that 1 rep would perma-run and can tank the gate sentries fine. With everything running (besides the MWD), it lasts as long as you have boosters. If it had an infinite supply of boosters, it would perma-run, so you can take your comment and shove it. Secondly, this is not a setup to tank a doomsday. If you want that, take a repairer off and put on an 800mm Plate (If you are expecting multiple doomsdays, then you'll have to use a 1600 plate and drop either both reps or some of the guns. Since it isn't supposed to be a damage ship, I'd just drop the guns in favor of allowing it to do it's ***** job, which is tank a doomsday and keep super capitals pinned. Also, your comment about the 2000 armor buffer is ****** as well. You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP** vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate. So please, before you reply again, use your brain. At least a little bit. -Anti 1. Your EFT setup with cap booster running still cannot have enough cap coming in, taking reloads into account. 2. Your anti-titan hic would drop tank for 1 shot buffer. And my point was other races can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays in hics. 3. You FAIL as you never bothered to canculate effective hitpoints vs doomsday, Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Orar Ironfist Originally by: Jonny JoJo Dude - Do the math. 70k+ doomsday hits you. You are dead with your "2k armour buffer" on your highist resist. you dont have enough effective hitpoints for any damagetype to tanks a doomsday. Hey mister math skills its a stock 45k dmg so 85% of that is resisted not including shield if you havent been hit yet and the whole structure with 60% resists cause of DCU so in fact you can survive a DDD. And buddy you dont need to survive multiple DoomsDays cause it can only be used once an hour. And i swear to god if you say "BooHoo they always nerf Amarr BooHoo" your St00pit cause amarr is one of the best races in the game nub Please do math. As Titan blast is 70k+. CCP upped the damage a long time ago, somthing you would know if you actually got doomsdayed. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)

Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo Please do math. As Titan blast is 70k+ and not 45k. CCP upped the damage a long time ago, somthing you would know if you actually got doomsdayed. Funny that someone who never ever appears on killboards participates in so much fleet combat. Anyway, you fail. It's very easy to set it up to have about 158K of effective armour (just armour!) HP over explosive with still a dual rep tank, enabling you to lol at two minmatar titan pilots all day long. Without a MWD, guns or anything else? Sounds great. Even the TITAN will outrun it speed wise due to plates. LOL Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Antithysis Originally by: Jonny JoJo 1. Your EFT setup with cap booster running still cannot have enough cap coming in, taking reloads into account. 2. Your anti-titan hic would drop tank for 1 shot buffer. And my point was other races can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays in hics. 3. You FAIL as you never bothered to canculate effective hitpoints vs doomsday, 1) My EFT setup DOES take reload time into calculation. Argument 1 thrown out the window. 2) Yes, it drops some of it's tank for a 1 shot buffer. News flash: EVERY SINGLE HEAVY INTERDICTOR HAS TO DO THIS. 3) Did you not read my post? I specifically took into account the effective HP buffer vs. a doomsday. Here, I'll quote it for you since you seem to be slow: Originally by: Antithysis You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate. But I guess you can't read properly, or you would have noticed that. My deepest sympathies to your family. Originally by: Orar Ironfist 1.His eft is right it takes into account load times 2.You can tank them too you just have zero skillz to do so cleary its you and not the ship 3.You fail harder becuase it has effective hp over that of ddomsday max dmg to an unresisted ship so its doing infact less to you 4. Shut up now your purposely trying to troll and everyone knows your wrong but yourself Much <3 Orar! -Anti Obviously you have no indication of reading. I am talking about effective hitpoints. The problem is, people like you still think titans do 45k damage like they did a year and a half ago. They do 70k+ damage, and last person who took a blast from shrike can confirm that he actually does do real world 70k+ "effective" damage. Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:40:16 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:38:09 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) OK. Highs: 4x FMP II 1x interdictor module 1x whatever Meds: 1x 10MN MWD II 1x medium electrochemichal cap injector (I think T2 fits too) 1x T2 web Lows: 2x MAR II 1x 800mm RT plate (lol, I cannot believe this works w/out fitting mods, you so cannot fit this on other HACs) 1x DC II 2x Energized Reactive Membrane II (you could use active ones for more resists if you like) Rigs: explosive rig. Not really necessary. empty Effective armour HP versus explosive: 158636 HP. You do know how to calculate this? ;) Also: fits without AWU. At all. I don't even know what to do with the excess grid. Focused Pulse? You guys even know what focused pulse is? People who use focued pulse are the types of people who use 350's on sniper ships. I.E its the looser module Have you guys ever flown Amarr by any chance? next you will be saying Apoc = best bs as it can fit quad reps. Way to CHEAT big boy - But your setup is not doomday proof. I put th enumbers into EFT and lets see the results.. Dies easaly to Avatar Blast Dies Easaly to Leviathan Blast Dies easaly to Erebus blast. Survives Ragnarok blast due to mass explosive hardners. So your setups are nothing but a fraud. Next you will be saying that a apoc with 3 x EM Hardners can armour tank Avatars. Sure it can, but it will die to every other DD so its not doomsday proof. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 03:33:06 Originally by: Antithysis Asshat Setup -Anti Except you use Focused Pulse. You guys are all picking out cheat setups so you can either 1. Fit Dual MAR/MWD/Booster/Plates at the expese of smaller powered weapons etc 2. Fit Cheat DD tank setups against a single DD type You guys using cheat setups to divert the issue from the correct action - that heavy pulse Devoter setups lack grid, and that unless you use focused pulse or frig/civillian weapons, you cannot get the tank of other hic's, such as Oynx or Bradsword. People use heavy pulse which is the standard for amarr medium laser pilots. But you know that would mean I am correct, therefore you run this charade. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 10:06:00 - [15] Originally by: ElCoCo Cheat setups! You're as clueless as you appear in most your posts? You've yet to show one of those "sensible" fabled omgwtftank setups the "other" races have that the devoter can't do just as well (or better). Do you fit several EM hardners on Vagabonds just to give it high effective hitpoits vs Amarr Doomsday and then claim is as doomsdayproof to make people think the vaga has 150k hitpoints+? Well, thats what Cpt Branko did above. Can you even read this thread? If that is not a cheat setup, then I ask you to name a single killmail where someone fits several explosive hardners where explosive is highist resist in pvp? You really are as clueless as KIAEddz Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 10:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:14:56 All these people saying Devoter does not need to do damage. When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away? Why do Interdictors fit weapons if they dont need to? Why does HIC class have damage bonus if they dont need it? Devoter has SERIOUS problems due to one thing and one thing alone - Lasers. Devoter without weapons - fine. Devoter with weapons = Lol. If devoter could use missiles it would be fine. In fact, other HIC's without guns are OMG. Devoter is a dull fart. Gentlemen, as you can clearly see, Devoter is Gimped with lasers. Its Damage bonus should be removed and replaced with something better and viable. Either NERF Oynx/Broadsword or Boost Devoter to compete with them Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 10:38:00 - [17] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:51 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:19 You guys must be idiots. I have never once mentioned the Phobos as a goalpost as the phobous has fitting problems as well. Yet you compare a cripple to a cripple. I am saying the Amarr man is handicap because he has 1 arm. You are saying Phobos would WISH to have the 2 Legs Amarr Man has as phobous has 1 leg. What a bunch of morons you guys are. You should be comparing something that WORKS with something that DOES NOT. Compare a cripple to a health Oynx or Broadsword which dont have these problems. You guys want the 1 armed amarr man to chop his leg off to be same as 1 legged phobos man problems? Or shouldent CCP fix The HIC's prenerf? I have YET to see you complain about Broadsword/Oynx. Therefore I call you a troll as you have done nothing which discusses the problems of Devoters as defined in the OP. The problem is Lasers, if you havent guessed. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 10:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:41:43 Originally by: Cpt Branko (a) You want highest tier guns, MWD, dual reps, cap injector, plate, interdiction module w/out sacrificing anything. This is not possible. Want a hefty tank? Then forget highest-tier guns or forget dual mars or something. Actually - it is you insisting on this. I have never said it should have that. In fact, dual reps make it hard to DD proof Devoter, which defeats the point I am making. Devoter needs to be DD proff, able to defend itself and have a rep. It cannot rely on injectors due to laggy supercap battles taking multiple hours + All you are saying is like telling a 1 armed man to chop his leg off so he can put in it in arm socket if he wants 2 arms. Yet you never question the reason why the arm was missing. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:15:10 Originally by: Crystal Frost A setup for the whiney little Jonny 'Waahhh I can't play my race so I want it on god mode" JoJo. Here's a setup for you to cry about. Highs: 4x Med PL II 1x WDFG Meds: 10MN MWD II Sensor Booster II Med Cap Booster II (400s) Lows: DC II EANM II ETM II 1600 RT 3x HS II Effective armor of about 60k. All armor resists 80+. Al tech 2 Medium Pulse. No reps... you're a fleet ship, get remote rep'd. Running out of Cap? You're a fleet ship, have support do it's just. Need more whine? I doubt it, I'm sure you have enough to spare. You are aware that medium pulse lasers are.... Frig weapons and HIC's cannot be remote repped when using bubble/focus scram? here come the Clue train.... last stop is you! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Ishina Fel Originally by: Jonny JoJo When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away? I dunno... I'd ask my FC to call him primary "FC" Can you call Enirjar Fighter Drone prmary? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)

Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Neon Razor Originally by: Cpt Branko Next JoJo the troll will tell you it must fit biggest tier guns too [:lol: Wait, I think they actually fit on that setup. Omg. im scramming a titan or MS which is being ponded on by multiple dreads i dont think they will miss a bit of dps. if you not planning on scramming a MS/TITAN there are fits that also do alot of dps such as below: 4x heavy pulse ll 1x warp dist field gen 10mn mwd web medium electro chemical 2x med armor rep 2x eanm ll 1x heat sink ll 1x cap power relay 2x rep amount rigs does 275 dps and tanks 621 dps Titan activates doomsday. You die. Oynx/Broadsword pilots laugh and keep locks on. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Neon Razor Edited by: Neon Razor on 10/01/2008 11:10:22 Super cap scraming 4x FMP ll 1x warp dist field gen 1x medium electrochemical 1x web ll 1x 10mn mwd 1x med repper ll 1x EM hardener ll 1x them hardener ll 1x kinetic hardener ll 1x EANM ll 1x Suitcase ll 1x thermic rig 1x CCC without the MWD running can run everything only using 200 charges in the booster this setup can tank any DD blast with my skills: 115k EM 90.5k Therm 127k Kin 125k exp if you are taking on a titan i should hope that cap/ armor reppers are going to be the least of your problem as it is you keeping the titan inplace so you should have atleast a few remote reps on you from you capitol support. with a DD blast as it is instant damage you do not need your rep running constant so my setup does not need the charges the charges are only there for running the repper. yes i do have 1-5 slave implants to get them effective hp if i remove them i get: 97k em 77k therm 107k kin 108k exp wow a ship with no faction mods and no implants that can tank all 4 DD blasts overpowerd my arse Firstly, your setup FAILS in EFT to tank any doomsday. Looks like making numbers up = WIN. Secondly, your setup FAILS in real world - It has only enough cap for 1 minute with MWD off, oncec oyu run out of boosters. And if you tackled titans, expect at least half an hour of battle. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 12:24:21 Originally by: Jonny JoJo You are aware that medium pulse lasers are.... Frig weapons FAIL. NOW GO TROLL UNDER A TREE. I'D EXPECT A AMARRIAN TO KNOW THAT FOCUSED MEDIUM PULSES ARE CRUISER WEAPONS AND IN FACT TRACK THE NANOSHIPS YOU LIKE TO TROLL ABOUT. Dude, you are a idiot - Read the post - he put down frig weapons, he even admitted as such in a follow up post. Medium Pulse lasers are frig guns. Look up market and type it in. He even had the CHEEK to edit my reply to him to change his setup. Just read my original reply which is unedited. He still beleives that HIC's can be remote repped when in scram/bubble mode. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:31:26 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo Blah blah Look, mate, we know you're just here to troll ships and modules. People have given you setups, you have given us whinage and idiocy. This is a forum to discuss setups. So far, nobody can find a Devoter setup that is competitive to oynx/broadsword for thier intended role of supercap scrambling. This is because of broken laser fitting. If Devoter was a missile boat, there would be none of these problems. You just go on about Phobos - make your own thread - this one if for Devoter as it has to fit civillian guns to be competitive with Oynx/broadsword Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:50:08 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. Its like using Heavy assaults on raven, however you guys would beleive that to be viable. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? and does the other HIC's can do the same thing? Yes. Other hics can tank titan doomsday and keep it scrambled for more than 10 mins. Phobos might have problems though, but oynx/broadsword no probs. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:02:00 Originally by: Grimpak show me then. oh and totally forgot. I'm with the understanding that by "tanking a titan for 10 minutes" means tanking a DDD for 10 minutes? you can only shoot a DDD once each 1 hour. Taking a DDD blast is a requirement, and on top, the shortest time a Titan has ever been killed is 10 mins, so it would need enough cap to lock titan down for at least 10 mins. More realistically, a couple of hours, as was seen in the shrike incident which took over 3 and a half hours, and invovled 3 doomsdays during that period. I am not sure where you got a 10minute DD, however I assume you made it up to act hard in front of your internet forum friends Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:31:52 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:23:40 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. a non-mwd'ing HIC moves faster than a titan. even with the WDFG on. unless you're meaning that I should stay put? "but I will be webbed". then get your support on the guy that is webbing you. also having a single HIC engaging a titan is pretty much pointless, as you would be pretty much wtfbbq'ed by the support, no matter how good is your tank. You and a gang have hostile titan locked down. This is what is going to happen. You will get smartbombed. Not in smartbomb range you will get ECM drones etc on you - you shoot these with your guns. You will get doomsdaysed. You tank this. And a hostile carrier will warp to titan at 0 in a direction that works best with the bubbles around. Otherwise they hostile titan will get MWD fleet to bump him. A carrer bumb to a non-fully bubble surrounded titan can easaly bump him 50km away. That is where you need mwd burst, as not all the HIC's on titan will still have lock, and as you say so youself, having 1 HIC on titan is silly, so you need to get lock back asap. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)

Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:05:00 - [31] Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO! The real world pvp man! First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds? 1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****? Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:10:00 - [32] Originally by: StickyFingerz I am anti-amarr troll. I think I know how to fit a hic for the job of real world pvp as dictated by EFT and not by actualy ingame experience. I also havent a cluse about pvp vs capital ships, which is very different vs regular ships, so my brain thought is on the wrong wavelength. I know CCP prenerfed HIC's, and the Amarr Hic and phobos lack fitting. Since I also enjoy cold soup at a renteraunt insted of telling the waiter, I will take the lazy ass approach here and pass the blame on pilots. After all, the car industry for decades used to say deaths in accidends were drivers faults and nothing to do with car design, and seatbelts were dangerous, so I will beleive any old tripe without challange it. There. Fixed Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Cpt Branko Hello, i use a lot of cheat setups to try and make people think broken ships are ok. For example, if I was anti-munin, I would put on 3 EM hardners on its 92% default em resis and then claim it has OMGBBQ Hitpoints to try to confuse the reader. And when I am wrong - I never admit it and insted do ad hominem attacks. Really, Thanks for sharing this Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:05:00 - [34] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:06:10 Originally by: Lorz0r Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO! The real world pvp man! First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds? 1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****? Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it. ITT: Trolling Just glancing through he wants a HIC that can tank all 4 titans, do HAC DPS, HAC Speed, Immune to Neut's and can run for ages before it caps out. I'm sure when the HIC is primary his 4 Lasers will be enough to stop all the incoming fire UNLESS of course you manage to catch a Titan by itself!!! Nope - Thats you guys making stuff up. Never said I wanted a HIC to do hac DPS. I want a HIC that can 1. Defend itself from random small crap such as drones etc 2. Tank a doomsday 3. Have enough cap to lock down a titan for at least 10minutes, more closer to half an hour. Broadsword does this. Oynx does this. Does Devoter? Nope. So since you fail at reading, you also fail at understanding. I have alreaddy said in this thread that the Damage bonus should be replaced with a bonus that helps it in its role to lock down Supercapitals. However, you guys are very well aware, however you like to spin facts. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:57:00 - [35] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:57:54 Originally by: StickyFingerz tbh, at the start of this topic he was complainin about needing a MWD to keep things tackled, now he is on about tackling titans..... i can see titans MWD'ing out of range on a HIC all the time.. :/ Good luck travaling 100km to a titan without MWD before it warps. I dont know many titan pilots that would be happy to uncloak in scram range of a hic. Most titan pilots uncloak DD and warp/recloak or they warp/jump in, DD and warp out/cloak. Also, in sever danger, a titan pilot that is not 100 fully bubbled can get a carrier to warp to him at 0, thus bumping the titan out of dangers way. This has already happened once before where a carrier warped into a titan from the top going down and bumped it 50km away. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:33:00 - [36] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 21:33:58 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 21:03:30 Originally by: Jonny JoJo ... You're theorycrafting again. I realise that EFT PvP and theorycraft turns you on, but it's not something to balance ships on. HICs are really preety well balanced out. You are theory crafting. You saying a MWD on a hic is non needed in the real world? Dude dod you expect titan pilots to uncloak right in front of you so you dont have to travel? "Ah but someone else will have warp to". Yeah - some non-Amarr HIC. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:13:00 - [37] 1. I have never said 1 hic vs titan is sensible. It was the anti-amarr brigade that said that. 2. I have stated what a titan tackler needs. It needs to be able to tank a doomsday, and be able to lock down a titan for as long as it takes. 3. Of course you need multiple titan tacklers. Thats the point 4. Ad hominem attacks inted of the point that the damage bonus on Amarr hic is wasted as amarr cannot fit lasers properly and maintain any sensible form of titan tackling. I am afraid that you guys are making your own stuff up, such as assuming that titans happily uncloak if ifront of hics, and that hics somehow work alone. I have never said Hics should work alone - Heck - you need dozens of them. But the Anti-Amarr brigade are the only people saying it and now they are pretending that I said it. Shame on you. Devoter needs its damage bonus changed or lasers fixed so it can take advantage of it. Otherwise its a wasted bonus. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Eagle Tarquinas Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:41 Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:11 Jonny JoJo... you lack a single ounce of logic. After reading this whole post, I can say two things; one: your posts, jonny, have irreversably lowered my IQ. Two: there is overwhelming evidence against your case. And one more thing... a Hic should never EVER EVER EVER EVER tackle a titan alone. There should be multiple carriers, dreadnoughts, and hundreds of non-capitol ships ready to move in when it gets locked down. And another thing, there would be multiple Hics (at least if you wanted a decent chance of succeeding). All Hics can be set up to survive the doomsday; however most would have a bit of trouble being primaried by... oh... the entire support fleet of the titan. Which usually includes multiple battleships, cruisers, frigates, and maybe even a carrier. Your fleet's job is to help keep it locked down as well as keeping people from shooting you into oblivion. Taking down a titan is a TEAM effort, a HiC set up specifically for tackling a titan should be able to do only that TBH; tackling the titan is much more important that 500, 1000, 1500, or whatever DPS you can think of. If you actually want to tackle the titan, you must adapt your fit for the SPECIFIC situation; you shouldnt have the wtfbbq ship that can tank all. You must learn that specialized ships which are then FURTHER specialized for tackling a SPECIFIC ship are usually gimped in all BUT doing what your are setting them up to do. Hm... that was a bit more than two things... oh well. Sorry for the wall of text people. But Jojo thinks that you should be able to spot a passing Titan, tackle it solo, take out the support and wait till the fleet kills it, and you can't prove him wrong, naaah naaah ;) Why would you tackle a titan solo? Only anti-amarr people think that a hic sould solo a titan. I cannot see why. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo You are theory crafting. You saying a MWD on a hic is non needed in the real world? Dude dod you expect titan pilots to uncloak right in front of you so you dont have to travel? I never said it's not necessary; I wouldn't fly a non-MWD cruiser-sized ship anywhere much (which is why full passive broadsword setups are preety stupid imho). You are putting words in my mouth. I am saying you are theorycrafting about Amarr HIC being inadequate in general, by putting them in situations where they're being neuted, smartbombed, droned, doomsdayed and 100km off. What ship is NOT screwed in the scenarios you mention to make Amarr HICs seem bad specifically? Furthermore, you are trolling; you ignore any arguments and setups which go against what you're trying to say. Also, you have no PvP experience to speak off and talk about tackling titans as if you were the font of knowledge on fleet battles. Which stinks of 'EFT-only warrior' to high-heaven, and you cannot balance ships around EFT-wars and theorycraft. nope - what has happened is that the anti-amarr people have made stuff up and pretend I have said it. This is called STRAWMAN arguments. My point all along, if you read my posts is that Lasers stop the Amarr hic doing its job. They should fix lasers or fix devoter bonus to be in line with what a titan tackler should do. So people post non-mwd setups, non-doomsday tank setups etc etc all to try and somehow prove that lasers are not broken, and by implication, that the damage bonus is valid on a Devoter. So is the Devoter damage bonus valid or invalid as the argument swings about so much between the Anti-Amarr people Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 22:25:14 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo 4. Ad hominem attacks inted of the point that the damage bonus on Amarr hic is wasted as amarr cannot fit lasers properly and maintain any sensible form of titan tackling. Aren't focused medium pulses lasers? You can fit them in combination with a doomsday tank. Oh, they're not proper lasers now. Well, you can fit heavy pulses by reducing your tank a bit. At least you don't need to put a RCU II and train AWU IV/V like the Phobos to fit neutrons and anything else Please read further back when another member of the community mentioned the problem with focused pulse. You know, back when you were posting multiple highist resist hardners on devoters highist resist to trick people into thinking it was doomsday tankable. Kinda like putting multiple EM hardners on 92% default resist Munins Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)

Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:53:51 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:52:30 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Sounds like excellent frig dps there. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Bronson Hughes 1. Devoter can do more DPS than it's T1 counterpart. All of the other ones do equal or lesser main weapon DPS and all of the others lose all of their drone DPS. In this respect, the Devoter is actually superior to the other Heavy 'Dictors. Now, whether or not it's T1 counterpart is gimped is an entirely different discussion. That argument is invald as you do not include full dps from other races. For example, a Damnation does caracel damage. Should a t2 BC do t1 cruier damage? See the logical fallacy there? Devoter has 4 turrets and has to use 2nd class weapons or civillian guns to fend doff enemy drones etc in the event of a attack. In the real world, alliances have multiple titans, so having a tank that can sustain a blast of any titan is required. You could get a avatar or a erebus or a ragarok blast if you fight bob, and in the future, most powerful alliances capable of supporting titans will have multiple types. So you cannot assume that you know what titan is going to DD you at a moments notice. Its like assuming that a raven will shoot wrath cruise at you. The Devoter shows the problems with crazy broken amarr lasers. CCP need to fix that ASAP or pump up the devoter or remove the devoter laser damage bonus and replace it with something useful. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:28:00 - [43] Originally by: madaluap Takes a deep breath. THESE THINGS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE. GET IT? WHY DONT YOU *** GET IT? It has been posted so many times and you JUST DONT GET IT. /ms looks at damage bonus in description. So CCP gave a ship a bonus it was not designed for? Devoters are designed to do damage - you have to engage your brain to work out where the damage goes. Here is a clue - it is not on a capital! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:46:18 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:44:51 Originally by: Si Delane Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. I wanted to bring this back to our OP just for giggles and then point out the things we've added: Survability to all 4 types of DDD without refitting. Ability to fit top end guns regardless if it could, you woudln't, and would instead put on more tank. Fit MWD. Permarun every but the MWD without cap charges (well not perma, but more than 10 minutes). Is that everything? Just wanted to clarify. I am awaiting your top range guns + DD tank + mwd that can run everything without cap charges/booster/rigs setup. Heavy Pulse use a lot of cap and fitting I hear. Oh wait - this is Devoter we are taking about - not Onyx/Broadsword! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:06:00 - [45] Originally by: madaluap Im missing the phobos in that line up....I wonder why? Because this is a Devoter Thread and not a Phobos one. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:12:00 - [46] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 23:12:15 Originally by: General Coochie Seriously man maybe you should consider training for another race as amarr doesnt seem to suit you. You do relise the irony in your comments, since if nobody complained when Amarr used to be overpowered, then we would all be flying Amarr just now, and you would be telling some Gallente to consider training for Amarr insted of the other way around Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:38:00 - [47] Originally by: arbalesttom Hey johnny! Good to see your other trollthread got locked! How about this one? Johnny, its basicly this way, OR you try to max your skills in amarr (and, more important, LEARN to fly them. You really should stop eft right now and log into eve. I bet you cant fly the ships your whining about anyway, can you?), OR train up for another race and see how 'overpowered' they are... Its just a simple question, or whine how bad your gear and your skills are, or train up your skills and train up other race skills. But dont come here and whine, like your doing alllllllllll the time atm. You seem very emotional that the tracking thread got locked. I guess the world gets a chance to see people like you refuse to discussreal issues because you dont fly amarr. Did you know that Amarr have massive problems trying to reproduce? Its because we all run out of cap after 30 seconds, unlike those Gallente monami's who can take there time. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:21:00 - [48] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: arbalesttom Hey johnny! Good to see your other trollthread got locked! How about this one? Johnny, its basicly this way, OR you try to max your skills in amarr (and, more important, LEARN to fly them. You really should stop eft right now and log into eve. I bet you cant fly the ships your whining about anyway, can you?), OR train up for another race and see how 'overpowered' they are... Its just a simple question, or whine how bad your gear and your skills are, or train up your skills and train up other race skills. But dont come here and whine, like your doing alllllllllll the time atm. You seem very emotional that the tracking thread got locked. I guess the world gets a chance to see people like you refuse to discussreal issues because you dont fly amarr. Did you know that Amarr have massive problems trying to reproduce? Its because we all run out of cap after 30 seconds, unlike those Gallente monami's who can take there time. Wrong. I fly amarr with my alt and i dont have any problems at all, so im wondering what gone wrong. I have a suggestion for you, this isnt your channel, you should go to the skills channel and try to find out where you failed. Yeah im a bit emotional, and? At least im not 11 years old and trying to understand something my brains arent big enough for. If you have a opinion on a ship (like in your case, amarr needs beef there, amarr this sucks, amarr that sucks, etc etc), you want to be able to prove your statements with facts or calculations, not "because eft/spreadsheet/whatever told me" (that is what you apperently are doing, you said it yourself). You fail at making ANY FORM of proof or sensible reaction on what your trying to show us. If your not smart enough to realize that yourself, you probaly have as much brains as you have balls, none. Do i have to remind you gallente are also pretty cap-heavy with alot of ships? Another fail on your part. My last words, it looks like your brain cant handle logic at all, so would you please stop posting the crap you have been posting for the last....how long? Yoou are being very rude. You do not answer my argument and insted attack me. Shame on you, more shame on you thatn honour tanked dreads! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:16:00 - [49] Originally by: The Djego A little Hint Amarr PVP Spec comes with the natural Ability to overheat and Tank hardcore. Actualy I was inspired to start Amarr after Cowns Vids and a Frind of mine that only flys Amarr Ships and beating me into the ground. I remember a nice chat a while ago. Basicly Amarr are uber because nobody realy know what they can do. This is thrue everytime you engage a Amarr Ship you underate its ability and this lead to fast death if you meat a serious Amarr Player. Cown fights clowns. All cown's pvp is sitting on a gate or station and watching idiot people orbit him like npc in web range. This means he can use dual cap booster and plate buffer and does not need MWD. Thats basically his vids summed up. Station hugging and docking when in danger to repair is not exactly Amarr pvp at its best. Amarr suck at "dogfighting" style pvp. Cown does not dogfight - he just sits on docking range and kills anyone silly enough to attack him npc style. Most of his kills are npcers as well. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:44:00 - [50] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 02:44:22 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: The Djego A little Hint Amarr PVP Spec comes with the natural Ability to overheat and Tank hardcore. Actualy I was inspired to start Amarr after Cowns Vids and a Frind of mine that only flys Amarr Ships and beating me into the ground. I remember a nice chat a while ago. Basicly Amarr are uber because nobody realy know what they can do. This is thrue everytime you engage a Amarr Ship you underate its ability and this lead to fast death if you meat a serious Amarr Player. Cown fights clowns. All cown's pvp is sitting on a gate or station and watching idiot people orbit him like npc in web range. This means he can use dual cap booster and plate buffer and does not need MWD. Thats basically his vids summed up. Station hugging and docking when in danger to repair is not exactly Amarr pvp at its best. Amarr suck at "dogfighting" style pvp. Cown does not dogfight - he just sits on docking range and kills anyone silly enough to attack him npc style. Most of his kills are npcers as well. It is not funy. A Player that uses his own advantage to overcome a enemy in battle is smart. You are complining about things that Amarr can¦t do. Not because you are not seeing that Amarr have advantages in other aspects but because you like to troll on Forums. Cown is a big Name if it comes down to Amarr PVP because of his Actions. Not because of Forumtrolling. I respect him aswell I respect Frinds that realy own with Amarr Ships. The only thing I don¦t respect are people like you that only big on Forums without any in game contend and using Trolling Alts. Sitting in docking range killing anything silly enough to attack in a npc setup a dual capbooster abaddon who is ready to redock as soon as any danger happens is not exactly "big name pvp". I mean, a moros can do that as well even better Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)

Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:46:00 - [51] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 02:44:22 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: The Djego A little Hint Amarr PVP Spec comes with the natural Ability to overheat and Tank hardcore. Actualy I was inspired to start Amarr after Cowns Vids and a Frind of mine that only flys Amarr Ships and beating me into the ground. I remember a nice chat a while ago. Basicly Amarr are uber because nobody realy know what they can do. This is thrue everytime you engage a Amarr Ship you underate its ability and this lead to fast death if you meat a serious Amarr Player. Cown fights clowns. All cown's pvp is sitting on a gate or station and watching idiot people orbit him like npc in web range. This means he can use dual cap booster and plate buffer and does not need MWD. Thats basically his vids summed up. Station hugging and docking when in danger to repair is not exactly Amarr pvp at its best. Amarr suck at "dogfighting" style pvp. Cown does not dogfight - he just sits on docking range and kills anyone silly enough to attack him npc style. Most of his kills are npcers as well. It is not funy. A Player that uses his own advantage to overcome a enemy in battle is smart. You are complining about things that Amarr can¦t do. Not because you are not seeing that Amarr have advantages in other aspects but because you like to troll on Forums. Cown is a big Name if it comes down to Amarr PVP because of his Actions. Not because of Forumtrolling. I respect him aswell I respect Frinds that realy own with Amarr Ships. The only thing I don¦t respect are people like you that only big on Forums without any in game contend and using Trolling Alts. Sitting in docking range killing anything silly enough to attack in a npc setup a dual capbooster abaddon who is ready to redock as soon as any danger happens is not exactly "big name pvp". I mean, a moros can do that as well even better Again you owned yourself by calling a Dual Cap Booster Setup NPC. BTW a Morus can¦t (oh wait this was was your the Moros is overpowert Thread). Actualy I can simply kill the Drones. Cown is far over you simply becaue he know what to do with a Amarr Ship! Nope - please re-read the sentence I wrote. I am refering to the victims using npc setups. Cown uses docking range setups that are compleatly unviable outside the station due to the way his buffer works Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:59:00 - [52] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 14:02:26 Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 12/01/2008 11:27:46 Edited by: The Djego on 12/01/2008 11:26:18 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Nope - please re-read the sentence I wrote. I am refering to the victims using npc setups. Cown uses docking range setups that are compleatly unviable outside the station due to the way his buffer works Is it yust me or Triumvirate realy uses strange PVE Setups? Battleclinic link Btw this is not selected simply the last Kill on the Board... Back to topic: Stop Trolling Forums JoJo! Dude - Watch his video yourself. He was redocking when in danger and sitting in dock range attacking players who where dumb enough not to redock. His kills were idiots who would attack to attack a non-mwd, dual capbooster abaddon which was plated up. He would only use it in situations where he could redock before it died, so he could repair up. You can see him several times stopping fire to redock after a cheap gank. Killing npcers who havent a clue about docking mechanics is not exactly proof that Amarr race as a whole is not broken. I am not saying Cown is a noob - In fact - if cown was at a gate fighing with the same tactics, he would have died. Cown does different tactics for different situations. It is you that thinks that station undock tactic is viable everyware in eve. Again, since you are making stuff up - I am refering to the victims as NPCers who havent a cluse about docking combat tactics. I never have said cown is a npcer, you made that up because you never read properly what I wrote. You can do the same tactics in a torp raven or moros as well. In fact, pilots ued to use moros in seige to wtfpwn whole gangs though station docking rules before they stop people docking in seige. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:31:00 - [53] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Jonny JoJo You can do the same tactics in a torp raven or moros as well. In fact, pilots ued to use moros in seige to wtfpwn whole gangs though station docking rules before they stop people docking in seige. Hands up People for quoting Jojo right that using a SIGED Dread is a clever Idea for Station camping and redocking!!! You are so nber in owning yourself with your posts that you give no opertunities to others. You are aware that seige docking only got removed because people complained about moros 'impossible to break in 30 second' agression cooldown tank, and the phoeix's 1 volly most battleships as they undocked? Oh wait - you never saw that on the Cown Video! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:06:00 - [54] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 17:07:20 Originally by: The Djego Edited by: The Djego on 12/01/2008 16:56:16 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Jonny JoJo You can do the same tactics in a torp raven or moros as well. In fact, pilots ued to use moros in seige to wtfpwn whole gangs though station docking rules before they stop people docking in seige. Hands up People for quoting Jojo right that using a SIGED Dread is a clever Idea for Station camping and redocking!!! You are so nber in owning yourself with your posts that you give no opertunities to others. You are aware that seige docking only got removed because people complained about moros 'impossible to break in 30 second' agression cooldown tank, and the phoeix's 1 volly most battleships as they undocked? Oh wait - you never saw that on the Cown Video! I loled quite hard, it still hurts. Now a Phoenix that one volly BS? Serios this Dreads are at every Station in Low Sec and 0.0 and kill any kind of Ship that undocks. Oh wait they are not. Simply because they can¦t and this is why people don¦t do that. And still you fail to recognize why putting a Dread in Sige Mode at a station is pure fail. Also back to topic: Stop trolling Jojo! Please read eve forums of a year ago when you used to be able to dock when in seige. Then meant sensor boosted pheonix's could camp undock point and 1 volly bs's as they undocked. This is very real and was the reason why CCP removed dthe abilit to dock while in seige. Please stop making yourself look as uninformed as the amarr designer, and do your research first. You do relise the damage output of a seiged torp volley, dont you? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)

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Or shouldent CCP fix The HIC's prenerf?

Frig weapons and HIC's cannot be remote repped when using bubble/focus scram?

Frig weapons

FAIL. NOW GO TROLL UNDER A TREE. I'D EXPECT A AMARRIAN TO KNOW THAT FOCUSED MEDIUM PULSES ARE CRUISER WEAPONS AND IN FACT TRACK THE NANOSHIPS YOU LIKE TO TROLL ABOUT.